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The Caledonian Tornado 21st September 2011

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:51 pm
by stevedsmheywood

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:28 pm
by sng60007
I would not be suprised to see this change and steam come on at preston, steam through oxford rd I have never seen in preservation, others have been following main line steam a lot longer than I and have not seen any pics of a steam tour through oxford rd piccadilly corridor, bit no doubt I will be informed by others more knowledgable.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:29 am
by T R E Pickles
Or re-routed via Victoria?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:17 am
by malc
Somewhere I have a photo of 48151 passing through platform 14 at Piccadilly, albeit on the back of the train with a diesel on the front. This was the ECS from Longsight to Liverpool prior to The Fifteen Guinea Special 40th anniversary re-run on 10th August 2008. The 8F had stabled at Liverpool Road (MOSI) overnight, so I'm guessing that it had worked through Oxford Road and Piccadilly under its own steam earlier in the day. As far as I know, this is the nearest we have come to seeing steam through Oxford Road (and also the CLC route to Liverpool) in preservation. With regard to the trip on 21st September, I too would not be at all surprised to see it routed via Victoria, but Tornado has broken a few moulds already (e.g. steam INTO Euston), so who knows.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 am
by Stalytax
Bittern worked into Piccadilly from Stockport last year, but AFIK didn't go down the Oxford Road line.

Anyway, I've booked for this trip, (leaving Stockport 0730, get back 23.45!) so I'll see which way she goes. If she gets back after Midnight, do I have to pay for 2 days parking?

Not seen 60163 in BR green yet.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:14 pm
by robert
[quote]Anyway, I've booked for this trip, (leaving Stockport 0730, get back 23.45!) so I'll see which way she goes. If she gets back after Midnight, do I have to pay for 2 days parking?[/quote]



We'll have to stop meeting like this, your Missus will be talkin' :lol:

It is an unusual and slightly puzzling route, given the normal intensity of traffic on the Picc thro' platforms and the number of normal passengers whom throng those platforms - but a couple of clues..

1) The TT says it's going via Picc :roll:

and

2) the timings support that. You won't get from Stockport to Vic via Denton Jctn in 15mins. and the same 15mins allowance is shown in both directions.

Should be a fantastic trip whatever the route though. 8)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:58 pm
by 4472
OK lets try this....

Crewe, Stockport, Manchester Piccadilly, Bolton, Preston to Lancaster - diesel hauled.

NOW look at the 'Fellsman' trips and look where steam comes on ..............

Yes...........LANCASTER.

And I suspect it may well also come off at Lancaster on the return.

Just a guess!!!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:48 pm
by Scott Cooper
It's a well advertised trip I must say. I saw an advertisement when I passed through Glasgow! Strange place to advertise unless you want a single to Manchester :lol:

Unfortunately I won't be winning the lottery so won't be on it.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:59 pm
by robert
4472 wrote:OK lets try this....

Crewe, Stockport, Manchester Piccadilly, Bolton, Preston to Lancaster - diesel hauled.

NOW look at the 'Fellsman' trips and look where steam comes on ..............

Yes...........LANCASTER.

And I suspect it may well also come off at Lancaster on the return.

Just a guess!!!



Then I 'guess' the advertisers should consider the power (get' it eh eh :shock: ok Suit yourself :D ) Of their message

Quote


The train will be steam hauled throughout departing from Crewe, Stockport, Manchester Piccadilly, Bolton, Leyland, Preston and Lancaster. This tour will feature 500 miles of steam haulage behind Britain’s newest steam locomotive sporting its new Brunswick Green livery.

No guessing left there.. :?


the only one being the next time you're let out to get the beer in! :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:18 pm
by T R E Pickles
Correct - Steam all the way as far as we know.

The Fellsman starts at Lancaster - the steam doesn't come on/off here as it works ecs from Carnforth. I'm not sure if Lancaster has the capability to change locos - Preston is a more obvious choice if needed.

Only thing that might be questionable is whether Tornado is cleared to run through Farnworth Tunnel??? I recall a previous steam charter being re-routed because of this.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:17 pm
by willig
Tornado was dragged through Farnworth tunnel at the back of the Royal Train ECS to Preston.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:29 am
by sng60007
Tom,

I will be amazed if this does work the pic/oxford rd corridor by steam, but thats what they advertise so we will see, I will be keeping an eye out at work that morning

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:51 pm
by T R E Pickles
I know - midweek rush hour from Stockport to Preston via Man Picc & Bolton!!!

Should be interesting :D

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:51 pm
by Simon
4M10, a Southampton to Trafford Park service (WTT pass @ 0737) is shown as cancelled in this week; so this may be the gap they are looking at through Piccadilly.

It could have a clear room through Ordsall Lane and Salford Crescent. However, it would have to be looped at Burden Junction as it catches a stopper up (Bizarre :shock: 2F04 Buxton to Wigan North Western). This would be to allow 1S38 through, as there is no margin beyond Bolton to Lostock Junction between the Northern and TPE; but there is plenty of white space behind S38 from Bolton to Euxton Junction. WCML will be a doddle then... :lol:.

Not looked at Crewe/Stockport to Piccadilly as 4M10 is routed via Styal so not easy to plan backwards in my head across Slade Lane... now or any time of the day... ;)

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:09 am
by the_jon_m
it'd make a great pic on the bridge on oxford road ... but may have to resort to one of the car parks above the line just to make sure of getting a shot